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PostSubject: Mind blown in a twist of math, rhetoric, and logic. SORT OF.   Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:20 pm

2 > 1 > 0 > ∞

Two is greater than one, which is greater than nothing. And nothing is greater than infinity.
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PostSubject: Re: Mind blown in a twist of math, rhetoric, and logic. SORT OF.   Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:16 am

umm, inifinity is a concept, and not a number.
You can't make that argument because you can't assign a value to inifinity.

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PostSubject: Re: Mind blown in a twist of math, rhetoric, and logic. SORT OF.   Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:36 pm

Okay, two things:

1) 0 (the mathematical symbol for "nothing" or "the concept of nothingness") is *also* a concept rather than a defined value, and it's *always* used to define mathematical relationships. To disregard my argument with the one you've given alone is factually inconsistent. Both 0 and infinity are used liberally in all sorts of mathematics and important theorems.

Prominent examples include L'Hospital's Rule, the fundamental theorem of Calculus, the Telescoping Sum, Fractals, min/max theorems, concavity, limits, and I'm not even going to touch on Physics.

In other words, if you think I can't make that argument because infinity is a concept rather than a defined value, then you must also agree that 3>0 is not a valid argument because 0 is not a defined value, but a concept. Consistence, man!

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Two is greater than one, which is greater than nothing. And nothing is greater than infinity.

I dare you to disagree with any part of that statement.

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PostSubject: Re: Mind blown in a twist of math, rhetoric, and logic. SORT OF.   Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:37 pm

Now hang on a second. You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that zero was a concept. It has a fixed position in the number line. It is an undefined value, not a concept.

∞ > 2 > 1 > 0 > -∞

How can you make your argument by just writing the argument without explanation? I'm not the one proving anything here. =)

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PostSubject: Re: Mind blown in a twist of math, rhetoric, and logic. SORT OF.   Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:34 am

me neither; you completely missed the point.

I was making a joke more than I was actually trying to make a serious mathematical statement.

2 > 1 > 0 > ∞

It's a play on words if you read through the logic using a linguistic approach.

At first glance, 0 > ∞ appears false, because we know the opposite is true. But when read aloud, "nothing is greater than infinity," the statement is linguistically correct.

"Two is greater than one, which is greater than nothing. And nothing is greater than infinity."

And, actually, it's true. NOTHING is greater than infinity. If I felt like actually making a real, profound, mathematical argument, greater than symbols with 0s before ∞s would not be my first choice, just in case you were still wondering.

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PostSubject: Re: Mind blown in a twist of math, rhetoric, and logic. SORT OF.   Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:26 pm

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